Monday, April 11, 2011

Is the Margaret Macdonald -- Mrs John S Kennedy who died in 1905 age 64 actually a niece of the Hon. John Sandfield MacDonald, Premier of Ontario??

Is the Margaret Macdonald -- Mrs John S Kennedy who died in 1905 age 64, Rockland, Ontario, actually a niece of the Hon. John Sandfield MacDonald, Premier of Ontario??  "The King MacDonells/MacDonalds


It makes sense that if you are a niece or nephew of a person, Then your mother or your father has to be a brother or sister of that same person for this to happen.

The following is looked at from my perspective of what I am presently aware off. It is all subject to change & correction. AWF


This is the obituary from the Glengarry News Feb 17, 1905
of
Mrs. John S. Kennedy,  nee Macdonald  passes

ROCKLAND, ONTARIO
February 12th, Mrs Margaret E. Kennedy, died here recentIy of Bright's disease at the age of 64 years, The deceased was a widow of the late John S. Kennedy, of 0sgoode, Ont, a pioneer merchant and lumberman of the Ottawa district. She was a descendant of two, of Canada's most prominent families, the Macdonells of Glengarry, and the MacDonald's known as the King MacDonalds, of which Hon; John Sandfield MacDonald, 1st premier of Ontario was a member and uncle of the deceased.

Her paternal grandfather, Lt. Col Archie MacDonell, Commanded the Glengarry Fencibles in the war of 1812, and was a gallant and Conscientious officer, as were his- cousins, Col George, nicknamed ‘the red' and' Lt. Col Arch, aide de- camp, to General Brock.

Mrs Kennedy leaves two daughters, Mrs Lafontaine and Mrs George W. Higginson of Rockland and 3 sons, Alex. of Lachute, Quebec, John A. and Aeneas of Port Arthur, Ontario to mourn her death. Mr. Allan MacDonell of Metcalfe, Ontario, Dr. John A., of Chicago, Illinois USA, James of Elmira Heights, N.Y., USA, and Dr. Angus of North Adams Mass., USA are brothers and Mrs. Duncan Kennedy of Newark, N.J., USA, sister of the deceased.
Interment took place at Metcalfe on Monday.

From the  News, Alexandria, Ontario, Friday, April 18, 1913 fp col. 6 top
EX - GLENGARRIAN PASSES AWAY

From the obit of  ALEXANDER SANDFIELD MACDONALD
 The late Mr. Macdonald was a member of one of the most prominent and influential families in this part of Ontario. He is the last and the youngest of a family of four brothers, one of whom the late Hon. John Sandfield Macdonald, was Premier in the Government of Upper and Lower Canada  from 1862 to 1864, with the Hon. Mr. Sicotte as leader in the Province of Quebec, and who at Confederation became the first Premier of Ontario. Another brother, the late Hon. D. A. Macdonald, was Postmaster General  in the Mackenzie Administration and was subsequently appointed Lieut. Governor of Ontario. The other brother was Mr. Ranald S. Macdonald, of Lancaster.

In the obit for Margaret in 1905 it is stated that her age is 64, thus she was born in 1841.  It is also stated that her surname is Macdonald. This would also assume that the spelling of her fathers surname was Macdonald. Her mother being a MacDonell tentatively a dau of Lt Col Archie?  A minor but not conclusive as there was a tendency to spell it both ways Macdonald & Macdonell.

The obit also states that the father of her father was Lt Col Archie MacDonell of the MacDonells of Glengarry. This assumes that her father surname should have been spelt MacDonell rather than Macdonald.

In the obit of Alexander Francis MacDonald the brother of the Honourable John Sandfield MacDonald Premier of Ontario, that he, Alexander “is the last and the youngest of a family of four brothers” This statement assumes, implies that there were no girls, no sisters of these 4 Sandfield MacDonalds brothers -- Donald, John, Ranald, Alex, who were born between 1812 & 1818. Thus Margarets mother or father was not of this family.

Since it states that Margaret   of which Hon; John Sandfield MacDonald, 1st premier of Ontario was a member and uncle of the deceased. That eliminates him as the father. Since Alexander Francis Sandfield  was never married, that also eliminates him as the father. 

This leaves only 2 choices for  the Hon; John Sandfield MacDonald to be an uncle of Margaret, namely that of Donald & Ranald.

In the obituary of Donald Alex Sandfield 1896 there is no mention of a daughter as a Mrs Kennedy,

Donald Alex Sandfield MacDonald by his 2nd marriage to Catherine G Fraser has 2 daughter named Margaret, 1 Margarette Anne born Feb 17 1848, baptised at St Finnan’s Mar 1st, 1848. There is not indication of an early death: the 2nd Margaret was Margaret  Josephine born 16 June 1849, baptised at St Finnans 7 July 1849 who married Sir William H Hingston,  in his 9 children of which 4 died as infants [ Daniel E., Edwin A., Donald A., Alexander Fraser]. These children were born between 1848 & 1863. The names of the remaining 3 children of Donald Alex are  Mary Louise b 1857-; Catherine Ida b 1861-; Alex G Fraser b 1863;  This list of Doanld Alex’s 9 children came from St Finnan’s RC BMD Alexandria in part & from the family tree chart  I got with the book by Eugene macDoanld Some of the Sandfields. A copy of this chart will be included in Version 3 of my MacDonalds of Loupe, Lundie & Fraser line & connections.

Margaret based on what is stated in her obit as age 64 in 1905 was born in 1841.

Margarets brothers from the obit are Mr. Allan MacDonell of Metcalfe, Ontario, Dr. John A., of Chicago, Illinois USA, James of Elmira Heights, N.Y., USA, and Dr. Angus of North Adams Mass., USA are brothers and Mrs. Duncan Kennedy of Newark, N.J., USA, sister of the deceased.   None of these brothers & sister match the names of the children of Donald Alex or his brother Ranald.

It makes sense that if you are a niece or nephew of a person, Then your mother or your father has to be a brother or sister of that same person for this to happen.

Based on the above info that I am presently aware  of, there is no way that this Margaret Macdonald who was Mrs John S Kennedy who died in 1905 at age 64 in Rockland , Ontario was a niece of the Hon. John Sandfield MacDonald.

This does not imply  in any way that  the father of her father --Her paternal grandfather, was Lt. Col Archie MacDonell,-- was not in fact accurate. Likewise was connected in some way to the King MacDonalds. More specific clarification is required on both these aspects.

The King MacDonalds  Ref From St Raphaels RC Records 1848 Deaths
Henrietta MacDonell
The 27th day of April 1848, the undersigned priest buried in the burial ground of St Raphaels the body of Henrietta MacDonell widow of the late Patrick (Peter) MacDonell of lot 26 in the 5th of Lancaster and daughter of John MacDonell ‘King’ and of Catherine MacDonell. She departed the day before yesterday at the age of 76 years.
John MacDonald, Map
NB ; (Peter of Angus of Allan Lundie) MacDonell - awf

from St Raphaels RC BMD 1811 Marriages
M11 ALEX MACDONALD AND ANNE MCDONELL
On the 20th day of February 1811, Alexander MacDonald lawful son of Allan McDonald
and of Mary McGillis, and Anne McDonell lawful daughter of John MacDonell and of Catherine McDonell after 3 proclamations of banns were joined in marriage in the parish church of St. Raphaels by me in the presence of several witnesses.
Alex McDonell M AP
The is the marriage in 1811 of the parents of the 4 Sandfield brothers

Are the parents of Anne McDonell who married Alex MacDonald, that is -- lawful daughter of John MacDonell and of Catherine McDonell-- the same John MacDonell and of Catherine McDonell the parents of Henrietta MacDonell wife of Peter MacDonell with this John, the father of Henrietta designated ‘King’.

From my perspective,  if the MacDonald's known as the King MacDonalds, of which Hon; John Sandfield MacDonald, 1st premier of Ontario was a member, then it seems likely that is is via his mother Anne McDonell the dau of John & Catherine.

Which one of  the number of  Lt. Col Archie MacDonells,  was this Archie? This seems to be & I think is a different Lt. Col Archie than the 2 listed in the Dictionary of Glengarry Biography on p 361 by Royce MacGillivray

Since the above obit states that Margaret grandfather is   Lt. Col Archie MacDonell is he the same Col Archibald MacDonell  of Osgoode Township who died in Nov 1853  & buried in St Catherine’s cemetery Metcalfe? As listed in the Dictionary of Glengarry Biography on p 361 by Royce MacGillivray.

Since Margaret’s paternal grandfather was Lt. Col Archie MacDonell, then this also eliminates Margaret as a niece of the Hon John Sandfield MacDonald, as his & that of brothers Ranald, Alex F., Donald Alex, grandfather on their father side was Allan son of Ranald and on their mothers side, the grandfather was John MacDonald, Maybe John’King’ MacDonald.

Also Catherine G Fraser the 2nd wife of Donald Alex Sandield MacDonald was a grandaughter of an  Col Archie MacDonell of Leek who died before Feb 1816. These 2 Archibald MacDonells were not the same person. Maybe this is where part of the confusion arises.

This  Lt. Col Archie MacDonell raises additional questions as does the King MacDonald connections. Both of these aspects are to vague to provide any concrete benefit to the identity of who this Margaret E Macdonald widow of John S Kennedy actually is.

This outline also uploaded to Scrib'd http://www.scribd.com/

I can be proven mistaken on my above perspective, as this is only one view point..

Comments are welcomed
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC
April 8, 2011  info [at] glengarrycounty.com
This oultine will be included in my upcoming work Version 3 on my MacDonalds of Loup, Lundie & Fraser line & connections, presently over 10400 entries.
http://glengarrycounty.com/loup.html