Monday, September 26, 2016

About Us Update; How & Why of our Genealogy Publishing Journey.



About Us Update; How & Why of our Genealogy Publishing Journey.

ALEX W FRASER   and Rhoda Ross
The Glengarry Genealogical Society 1974
Highland Heritage ca 1981
Courtenay, BC     866 517 2113       jars924@me.com   250 338 6334
Photo Alex   & Rhoda


Sep 2016  update

Due to a recent unfortunate incident in August, I thought it would be wise to clarify a couple of aspects of the How & Why of this journey we are on in Glengarry County Genealogy & Publishing.

1st - I have never claimed to be a Professional Genealogist. If a viewer of our work assumed that, that was their choice & mistake. This question probably has come up the odd time in the last 30 to 40 years, but not with the persistence of the present situation.

2nd - I have never claimed to be  part of any Certified Professional Genealogical Association. If a viewer of our work assumed that, that was their choice & mistake.

3rd -  My experience these 45 years came as a result of the Grace of God, openness, collecting and sorting family information, instinct, intuition, gut feeling, and a subtle knowingness as to who belonged to what families from collecting, reviewing obituaries, Gravestone inscriptions, church records, land records, etc.  

4th - You never know where genealogy research is going to take you. With pre-conceived expectations the viewer can be in for a shock with what results can show up.

5th - Yes, I do research for people from time to time. I am under no obligation to accept research requests from anyone. Likewise, if I do, I am also at liberty to return any research deposit if I deem that necessary. In the above incident, I deemed it necessary to return the research deposit.  When I do research, then that person is paying for my time, not buying or purchasing the resulted documentation. Depending on the information I am presented with as a starting point, then depending on what results come about, the person who made the request will usually get some documents sent to them.    I do not manufacture the results. The results come from the research done.

6th - Any research results I end up with — They are as they are —- I stand behind those results,  until new factual documentation comes about to change things. I do not claim the results are right or wrong, good or bad. I leave that to the viewer to decide. The results are as they are. The viewer makes a choice as to whether they agree, accept or believe the results presented from their perspective to determine its validity.

7th — The WHY of this journey is, was to preserve the history, family history in particular of the Glengarry County Ontario and area and make it available to those so interested. Linking families as best we could & were possible documenting same. Much has been done, more still has to be done. In the results that now exist, we have done the best we could within the circumstances that had to be dealt with and still have to be dealt with. 

8th -  Here are some examples of how easy it is when dealing with Macs, especially MacDonalds, MacDonells, to have the right names and the wrong people at the same time. This in most cases is unavoidable and happens to most if not all of us, myself included,  who do genealogy research at one time or another.  Mistakes, Red Flags, Discrepancies in Genealogy research. Solving this requires putting more detailed meat on the bones of the names concerned with dates, BMD etc.

These examples are based on the information I was aware of at the time, date of completion of article, even if new information came along after completion of any specific outline made.

Ex 1—   The Alexander MacDonell Dilemma. 
http://glengarrycountyareabooks.blogspot.ca/2016/06/who-is-this-alexander-macdonell.html

Ex 2 —  The John MacDonald Dilemma  {Mistakes in Genealogy]

Ex 3 — Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald, right names, wrong people 

Ex 4 —  The Alexander McNaughton Dilemma  

To those who made the choice to support us over these past 45 years for books or research our sincere thanks. We hope the results were beneficial more that confusing.

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC

ALEX W FRASER, born 1940 in Charlottenburgh Township, Lancaster, Ontario, County of Glengarry, whose United Empire Loyalist ancestors settled in the area in 1784, attended school in Lancaster and Williamstown. After leaving High School he worked with Bell Canada for a few years. In 1967 Alex got ill while attending school in Ottawa, Ontario. During convalescence from this illness, in 1971, he was inspired to use his spare time to interest himself in the ancestry of his mother and his father. He began actively to pursue this quest by searching local records, visiting cemeteries, etc. It was in this pursuit that he realized the necessity to preserve headstone inscriptions, so set about to copy them in full. The interest and response people showed in his endeavour led to the publication of Gravestones of Glengarry Volume 1, Williamstown, in September 1976, Volume 2 in 1978. Volume 3 St Raphaels in 1988, Volume 4 Alexandria in 2008. Vol 5 Kirk Hill, 6 Breadalbane, 7 Lochiel, 8 Glen Nevis Dalhousie in 2012, 9 Salem Precious Blood, 10 Martintown - Apple Hill, 11 Kenyon Township  2013, 14 Lonely Stones, 15 Master Index,   http://glengarrycounty.com/gofg.html

This effort in preserving local Glengarry County area history has kept him busy for the last 45 plus years. In this time period we have published over 38,000 pages of material on the Glengarry Stormont County Ontario and Area.

Mr. Fraser has been genealogist for the Glengarry Historical Society, the genealogist (Glengarry County) & founding member for the St Lawrence United Empire Loyalists Branch of Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry. He was also the 1st host for the counties of Glengarry, Stormont, Prescott Ontario with the Ontario GenWeb and 1st host for the counties of Soulanges & Vaudreuil Quebec with the Quebec GenWeb. He & Rhoda are also a member of the Comox Valley Celtic Club for these past 10 or so years.

In 1992  he received the Canada 125th Anniversary medal.
1997  received  “The Morley K Thomas Award “ for 30 years of weather observing for Environment Canada

In 1998 Alex joined NATO/Bitron and started using this excellent product to reduce his fuel and maintenance costs. In 2006 under Bitron with Dick Simmonds Bitron President reached the Director, Founder and Presidential level in Bitron. He is averaging with his 1997 GMC 1/2 truck over these 12+ years basically every 3rd tank of gas Free. His truck fuel consumption when from an average of 17 mpg to an average of 24mpg over these 1 years.  Bitron Global is now Natureline Solutions

Alex, now lives in Courtenay, BC with his wife, helper, companion and adviser, Rhoda Ross as they continue their efforts in preserving local Glengarry area history. This present work being the latest of that endeavour.

RHODA P WESTLAKE ROSS, born 1932 in Montreal, Quebec whose ancestors came from England in 1875 and Stornoway, Scotland about 1928. Educated in local Montreal schools, she married John Ross of Curry Hill, Ontario in 1951 and had 5 children, 3 boys and 2 girls. She presently has 12 grandchildren. After her husband John died in the summer of 1976 she became involved in helping Alex with his research, collecting information and publishing. They have been working as a team ever since. Rhoda also enjoys oil painting, baking and gardening.

Rhoda has now finished her major work on the McNaughton’s of Glengarry 5 volume family history, about 1800 pages which has been published.

In 2003 or 4  she joined the area Originals Only painting group and has displayed her numerous paintings in at least 4 of the Original Only shows since.

See her Comox Valley Blog at  http://comoxvalleyapictorialview.blogspot.ca/2013/01/the-comox-valley-welcome.html   This consists of 26 posts showing a pictorial view of the Comox Valley

In these 45 plus years we have published more than 38,000 pages of material on Glengarry County & area.
This is equivalent to about 237 single title books of 160 pages each

One of our current projects is sorting out the Quinns from St Anicet, Que  Glengarry and getting acquainted with the DNA results for a couple of Quinn Descendants.

Family histories

Gravestones inscriptions published

Church records published

Our [Alex W Fraser  Rhoda Ross] titles
http://glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html

The latest efforts is on the MacDonald of Loup Lundie and Fraser Connections on CD  Version 5 [2015] of over 34,000 entries.  





Sep 2016
Alex W Fraser
420 Harmston Ave.,
Courtenay, BC V9N 2X2
Tel 250-338-6334   or 866-517-2113
E mail    info@glengarrycounty.com   jars924@me.com

A photo journey of our many titles can be viewed at 
                                 http://ow.ly/4PWMa  

1971 September  2016

This Journey started in 1971 when I started to do my Fraser & MacDonald, MacDonell family history.

You never know where Genealogy Research will take you.

Tuesday, September 6, 2016

The John MacDonald Dilemma

Mistakes in Genealogies

The John MacDonald Dilemma

Here is a good example of what I mean by the statement 

there are bound to be mistakes, red flags, glitches in some genealogies

The following underlined  info on John D was sent to me as part of a family history to be checked over. On reviewing this info, It created as RED FLAG when the dates of birth & death were looked at. As i started to put more meat on the bones of this John  D, it became obvious that two John MacDonalds were being mixed up.

Initially mistakes, glitches like this are almost automatic for all of us doing genealogy, myself included. They are called mistakes, but not real mistakes, just red flags, glitches until more research is done on the person concern from the discrepancies that are the starting point.

Below are my observations on these two John MacDonalds

Following that is the documentation backing up these observations.

John D 1805-1878 was actually born in May 1806 while the other John was born in 1818.

I do not claim anything by these results, good, bad, right, wrong or indifferent. I leave that to the viewer. I simply present the results. It is as it is. 


 2. John D MacDonald, born 02 Oct 1818 in 1/1st Locheil, Ontario; died 24 Mar 1878 in 34/3rd
Lochiel, Ontario (census 1851 b: 1810). He was the son of  4. Roderick (Taylor) MacDonald and  5. Oirig (Harriet) McCormick. He married  3. Nancy (Ann) MacGillis Abt. 08 Apr 1849 in unknown.
 3. Nancy (Ann) MacGillis, born 1817; died 27 Sep 1868 in 34/3rd Lochiel, Ontario (census 1851 b:
1818). She was the daughter of  6. Neil MacGillis and  7. Mary MacMaster.

here is the church death record for the John who died in 1878
from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1878 deaths
D9 John D McDonald
On this 26th day of March 1878, I the undersigned parish priest have interred in the  catholic cemetery of Alexandria, the body of John D McDonald 34-3 Lochiel, deceased suddenly of heart decease, on the 24th instant aged about 73 years. Were present at the internment Alexander McKinnon jun’r 36-3 Lochiel, George Harrison Esq., Allan B McDonald, Esq., Angus McGillis 32-3 Lochiel, John McDonald [Allan] 35-4 Lochiel and others.
John S O’Connor  pp

here is what is on the tombstone for the john who died in 1878  see also photo
from Gravestones of Glengarry  Vol.4 Alexandria, St Finnan’s cemetery, 2008 by Alex  Fraser  Rhoda Ross
#347 McD 
West side
John D. McDonald 1805 - 1878; his wife, Ann McGillis, 1817 - 1868, their
dau. Catherine F. 1860 - 1913, Mary McDonald 1842 - 1902.
McDONALD

here is the church record for the John born in 1818
from St Raphaels RC BMD 1818 Baptisms
B116 John MacDonald 
The 8th day of October 1818, I the undersigned priest and vicar of St. Raphaels baptised John born the 2nd of October of the lawful marriage of Roderick MacDonald and of Oirig MacCormick. Sponsors John MacDonald and Catherina MacDonald. 
J. MacDonald P 
John McDonald died March 24th, 1878 age 73 from Ontario Deaths
bottom middle




MY OBSERVATIONS ON THE ABOVE  Take them as you are able to as you digest this outline.
all these observations are subject to further clarification and correction as I am going on what info is available. more research has to be done on both these  Johns before this can really be fully sorted out.
Am I missing something, probably, anyway these are my observations at present.

1— according to the church death record and tombstone for the John who died in 1878 he was age 73 thus indicating he was born in 1805
2— according to the baptism record of John born 1818 there is no indication that he was more than 6 days old at the time of his baptism
3— thus there is a 13 year gap between these 2 records, 1805 and 1818, thus a RED FLAG 
4— thus the person born in 1818 is not the same John who married Nancy McGillis as is indicated by the church record and tombstone
5—  thus two John’s are being mixed up
6—   The info is both right and wrong at the same time. The name is right but it is for a different person
7—  This is how easy it is to be right and wrong at the same time
8— when dealing with similar names like john or Alex or Mary it is easy to believe you have the right person. Once you begin to put meat on the bones a different scenario appears.
9— thus it appears that these 2 Johns were brothers born 13 years a part, providing also that they were both the sons of Roderick ‘Taylor’
10— without paying attention to what a person is looking at it becomes very easy to make these kind of mistakes and that is why I put a lot of cautions in the MacDonald of Loup work I do. You can have the right names but the wrong people and not know it.
11— this is why detailed information is required not just brief summaries.
12— Also see p.70, 90, 91 of McCormick’s of Glengarry by Thelma McDonald & Mary Divine
where she has the John who married Nancy McGillis dieing in 1886 
13— take away the John born in 1818 as the husband of Nancy McGillis and we have a whole new ball game on our hands.
14— There is basically no indication for the John born ca 1805 or marriage record in 1849 that provides info as to who his parents actually are.
15— Roderick taylor died in 1852 on Loch 1C N29 at age 70
16— John who died in 1878 was on Loch 3C N34 age 73
17— also Roderick Taylor MacDonald and OIRIG/Harriet McCormick got married in 1817, 12 years after the John who was born in 1805. 
18— Thus it is very unlikely that John born in 1805 is the son of Roderick Taylor.
19— Thus with all these discrepancies with these 2 John's it will throw of what ever ancestry was assumed that John 1805-1878 was part of.
20— Danny John would still be a son of John D but not a grandson of Roderick Taylor who died in 1852 on Loch 1C N29 at age 70
 21—  These decrepancies  also give some credence to your statement  "":has shown that there is something not right with the current set up of how families have been chart.""
 22— Unless there is more factual evidence brought forward as to who this John born in 1805 ACTUALLY is, T MacD may still believe he is as descendant of Roderick Taylor. From where I stand this is only a vague assumption offering little to go on.
23— These 2 different John MacDonald with the info available are from 2 separate families and do not seem to be brothers either.
24— I know that with this outline I have some of this info wrong, mixed up in the MacDonalds of Loup V.5 CD which I was not aware of prior to doing this review.
25—How does T MacD know that this John born 1805 is actually the son of Roderick Taylor who died in 1852?
26— It is somewhat understandable that Roderick Taylor and his wife Harriet could have had a child in 1816 or so before their 1817 marriage. Although in the realm of possibility it seems very unlikely that they had a child 12 years before their 1817 marriage. Even if they had an extremely long relationship, again it seems very unlikely that they would have a child born in 1805.
27-- Please explain to me, how a person can die in 1878 at age 73 and be born in 1818?

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
   

 Aug 8/16




Documentation on the above observations.



JOHN D MCDONALD 1805 -1878 the ancestor of T MacDonald who married Nancy McGillis
Thus, there are 2 different John McDonalds from 2 different families being mixed up creating this dilemma.. 

John D 1805- is not the son of Roderick Taylor MacDonald & Harriet McCormick
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Alex W Fraser: Observations on this documentation records made without prejudice or criticism  The viewer is under no obligation to accept, agree, believe the conclusions as stated here as a result of the documentation/records I am presently aware off. How the person views this. is their choice, it can & will change their view point or not, but it does not change the results stated unless new factual documentation evidence surfaces.This result will be left as is to stand on its own.  
I do not claim anything by these results, good, bad, right, wrong or indifferent. I leave that to the viewer. I simply present the results. It is as it is.  These results are  all subject to further clarification and Correctionj. 
Aug 10 2016


a quick overview of John D MacDonald ancestry, see chart
















 from St Raphael’s RC BMD 1806 baptisms
B22  John MacDonald 
John MacDonald lawful son of Donald MacDonald and Ann MacDonald was born the 6th and was baptized the 18th of May 1806. The sponsors were James MacDonell and Catherine MacDonald. 

from the 1839 census
Lochiel 3rd concession
34 3 W.5 John         M'Donald

Marriage to Nancy McGillis April 1849  has no documentation, source to back up date or  location
Update 9/29/16 .. Thanks to James Allan MacDonald, CT USA for bring this marriage to my attention.
from St Finnan’s RC BAMD 1849 marriages
B3a John McDonald  & Nancy McGillis
On the 8th day of April 1849 after one publication of the marriage banns, the other 2 being forgotten & ation? given gratis, & dispense of the undersigned priest have married John McDonald son of Donald Donald McDonald and Nancy McDonell, to Nancy Magillis daughter of the late Neil Mcgillis and Mary McMastre. Witness Archy McDonell, Allan McKinnon, & Alec McNeil
Denis Begley



from St Finnan's RC BMD 1878 deaths
John McDonald died March 24th, 1878 age 73 from Ontario Deaths
bottom middle

D9 John D McDonald
On this 26th day of March 1878, I the undersigned parish priest have interred in the  catholic cemetery of Alexandria, the body of John D McDonald 34-3 Lochiel, deceased suddenly of heart decease, on the 24th instant aged about 73 years. Were present at the internment Alexander McKinnon jun’r 36-3 Lochiel, George Harrison Esq., Allan B McDonald, Esq., Angus McGillis 32-3 Lochiel, John McDonald [Allan] 35-4 Lochiel and others.
John S O’Connor  pp



from Gravestones of Glengarry  Vol.4 Alexandria, St Finnan’s cemetery, 2008 by Alex W Fraser  Rhoda Ross

#347 McD 
West side
John D. McDonald 1805 - 1878; his wife, Ann McGillis, 1817 - 1868, their dau. Catherine F. 1860 - 1913, Mary McDonald 1842 - 1902.
McDONALD
North side
Henrietta McDonald 1894 - 1895; Joseph Autey  1912 - 1917
East side
Dan J. McDonald died Feb. 12, 1922 aged 64 yrs. His wife, Harriet
MacDonald, 1863 - 1953; Sally MacDonald 1898 - 1962; Ann L. MacDonald  Sept. 28, 1887 - Aug. 14, 1972. R.I.P. 
McDONALD

photo image above of official Ontario death record for John D MCDONALD, bottom row middle Mar 24 1878


from 1861 census  see lines 32 to 37 







This is a scenario of a strong impression I have on the ancestry of John D MacDonald 1805-1878

I have a strong impression, right or wrong on the following aspect of the John McDonald Conundrum I have help create or added to

These clues may or may not mean or lead anywhere, nevertheless

here they are

The “ D “ in John D McDonald may refer to the name of his father Duncan or Donald. More likely Donald

In the 1861 census, Provided we found the right John McDonald family there is an Ann McDonald  listed at age 80 and that could be, but not necessarily  John’s mother

also in 1850 there was an Arch McDonald died on 34/3 Lochiel age 29 son of Donald of Allan Ban Egg

from Fr John ’s Diary

APR 23 1850 ARCH MD, AGE 26, IN LOCHIEL 3C N34 IN EGG, HUSBAND OF MARY MACDOUGALD; SON OF DONALD OF ALLAN "EGG”.


and
MACDONALD,  FLORA ON JUL 3 1856, IN KENYON 1C N1, DAU OF DONALD SON OF ALLAN BAN "EGGICH";   WIFE OF ANGUS MACDOUGALL SON OF ANGUS OF DONALD OF ANGUS OF JOHN BAN.

based on very sketchy evidence my scenario is as follows

Lets assume that  John D is the son of Ann as stated above. 

lets also assume that the D in the John D  represents Donald the father

As Arch 34/3 Loch & Flora are children of Donald & Ann, its assume that this John D is their brother

I have nothing other than what i state above to back up this presumption.
AWF Aug 9, 2016

In addition to this I came across the following in Fr John’s Diary 1819-1866 & 1839 Census in part;

from Fr John’s Diary of Deaths 1819-1866 & 1839 Census in part, 1992, edited by Alex W Fraser
3C N_ -MACDONALD, DONALD ON JUN 5 1855, SON OF ALLAN BAN "EGGACH".
No death record was found in St Finnan’s for Donald in 1855

from the 1839 census in part for Lochiel  3rd concession

lot 35 3rd
Donald      McDonald
Nancy "           his wife
Angus
Allan
Archibald
Flory
Catherine 14
Mary 12
Margery 10
Rannal 8

from Fr john’s Diary of Deaths 1819-1866 & 1839 Census in part, 1992, edited by Alex W Fraser
MACDONALD, NANCY ON MAY 19 1864, IN LOCHIEL, DAU OF ALLAN SON OF ALEX OF 

MAY 19 64 NANCY MD, IN LOCHIEL, DAU OF ALLAN SON OF ALEX OF DONALD: & WIDOW OF DONALD MD SON OF ALLAN BAN, EGG LOCH 12,    

from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1864 deaths
D11 ______ wife of D McDonell
On the 9th day of May 1864 the body of _______ widow of the late Donald McDonald 35-3 Lochiel was interred in the presence of John McDonald, Angus McGillis & others.
James I Chisholm

John McDonald was at his mothers funeral in 1864


from St Raphael’s RC BMD 1830 baptisms
B85 Ranald MacDonell 
On the 31st day of May 1830, we the undersigned priest officiating in the parish of St. Raphaels have baptised Ranald born on this day the 31st of May of the lawful marriage of Donald MacDonell and of Anne MacDonell of Lot no. 35 in the 3rd concession of Lochiel. Sponsors Daniel MacNeil and Anne MacDonell. 
Cullin  priest 

from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1857 marriages, Alexandria, Ont
M 9  RANALD McDonell and Isabella Fraser 
On the 9th day of August 1857 Ranald McDonell son of Donald McDonell deceased and Ann McDonald Lot No 35 - 3rd Lochiel was married to Isabella Fraser daughter of Alexander Fraser and Christy McDonald of the 2nd Con Kenyon after one publication. No impediment was discovered. Witness Robert Quigly and Jannat McDonald. 
James J. Chisholm 

from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1874 deaths
D29 Ranald McDonald  35/3 Lochiel
On this 3rd day of August 1874, I the undersigned parish priest have interred in the catholic cemetery at Alexandria, the body of Ranald McDonald deceased 1st instant, on the lot wherein he had been born, 35/3 Lochiel Glengarry Canada, aged 42 years. Were present at the internment his brother John D McDonald, Alex’r D McKinnon, Capt Lauchlin McDougald and many others.
John S O’Connor

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Alex W Fraser: 
Observations on the above documentation records made without prejudice or criticism  The viewer is under no obligation to accept, agree, believe the conclusions as stated here as a result of the documentation/records I am presently aware off. How the person views this. is their choice, it can & will change their view point or not, but it does not change the results stated unless new factual documentation evidence surfaces.This result will be left as is to stand on its own.  
I do not claim anything by these results, good, bad, right, wrong or indifferent. I leave that to the viewer. I simply present the results.
Aug 10 2016

My earlier observations stand as is and plus the following

The proof of the parents of John D, in a nutshell is in the St Finnan ’s Church death record of Ranald McDonald as shown above

Ranald according to his marriage to Isabella Fraser in 1857 is the son of Donald and Ann McDonald

In the death record of Ranald 1874 it states that Ranald had a brother John D; Thus John D has to be a son of the same Donald and Ann MacDonald.

Thus, there are 2 different John’s from 2 different families being mixed up creating this dilemma..


1— John D born in 1805 & died in 1878, the son of Donald & Ann McDonald of 35/3 Lochiel
from St Raphael’s RC BMD 1806 baptisms
B22  John MacDonald 
John MacDonald lawful son of Donald MacDonald and Ann MacDonald was born the 6th and was baptized the 18th of May 1806. The sponsors were James MacDonell and Catherine MacDonald. 

2— John who was born in 1818 - ???  the son of Roderick Taylor MacDonald & Harriet McCormick of 29/1 Loch. Little at present is known about this John.
from St Raphaels RC BMD 1818 Baptisms
B116 John MacDonald 
The 8th day of October 1818, I the undersigned priest and vicar of St. Raphaels baptised John born the 2nd of October of the lawful marriage of Roderick MacDonald and of Oirig MacCormick. Sponsors John MacDonald and Catherina MacDonald. 
J. MacDonald P P

3— St Finnan’s Church death record for John D states he was 73 when he died in March 1878

4— the tombstone inscription for this John D is 1805-1878

5— the Ontario  official death record states John D is 73 when he died inn March 1878
6— the 1861 census indicates this John D is age 53

7— As a result of this outline presentation on John D MacDonald 1805-1878,  it shows that John D born 1805/06 is not the son of Roderick Taylor MacDonald & Harriet McCormick.

8-- That the John born in 1818 is the son of  Roderick Taylor MacDonald & Harriet McCormick. This John born in 1818 is not the ancestor of T MacDonald.

Will there be questions come about as these results are viewed. I will be surprised if they didn’t, even thought I may never see or hear about them.

Enjoy the journey

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC
http://glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html
Aug 11  2016 updated Sep 1/16